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Tina
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I know that the answer to this question will depend on location and the skill level of the home health aide. Please note that I'm wanting to know about the hourly rate for a non live-in, non-agencyindependent aide.  The location is Florida and the skill level is anywhere from highly experienced(but not certified) to CNA level.  So even if you don't know about Florida, I'm still interested in what you know regardless of location.
Thanks !
Sherrill
Reply with quote  #2 
In small town OK, we have been able to hire independent home companions for $9...they help with cooking, bathing, etc.

Hope this helps.

billie jo
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tina, in west michigan cna's get 9-10 per hour private hire. agency per hour worker is 17-19 per with the same experience. if you hire private ask for and check out references and look at getting a background check.

Tina
Reply with quote  #4 

Thanks, and please, if others have info. do chime in.  Here is the situation. Mom’s previous ‘CG’ was making $10. She had no experience coming into the job and had, to put it very mildly, terrible work habits. The final straw was asking to be paid in advance not once but twice in the course of 1 month. The second time when Mom baulked at doing so, the ‘CG’ gave her the cold shoulder even leaving at the end of the day without acknowledging Mom—blatant negative reinforcement which =’s abuse in my book. The next day when Mom asked for something at breakfast, CG replied,”when I’m done eating my breakfast”. Later in the day Mom paid her for the two days that she did work, and CG gave her a kiss goodbye. Well, that was her last goodbye because I let her go the next day. She had been there 3 years. Prior to letting her go, I had an agency lined up at $15. The long range plan was to tap into a family acquaintance who is also a CG. In fact, she was a CG for my Dad years ago and he got her into a good job with hospice. Earlier in the summer, Mom was almost going to make the switch to this woman’s relative-also a Cg, but did not follow through. I am pretty certain that Mom told her the pay would be $10/hr. and she was OK with that. Well, fast forward, the agency sent two women who were terrible. The family acquaintance came up with two women to share the days of the week. Except one, the same one who was apparently willing to take $10/hr. in the summer, would start later in the month and the other would work 5 days ‘til then. Anyway, Mom reported to me that the acquaintance said, “both get $15 per hour”. Since I wasn’t there, I have no idea what Mom said but she was clearly over a barrel at that point. I was kind of hoping that the second CG wouldn’t turn out to be $15/hr. but she started last week and I’m pretty sure that’s what Mom paid her. The lousy part of this is that Mom had the initial CG 9 hours a day. Of course, this woman didn’t work 9 hours a day (you know how that story goes). When the agency came into the picture, we modified the hours to 9-3 to stay within budget. The long range plan was to get a person for $10 and be back to at least 8 hours (and maybe save not having 9 hours) per day. Mom does think that these two women are very good; her house has never been so clean and organized in 3 years. I like hearing that she has gone on walks with these women as the initial CG would not do that and Mom did not feel secure walking with her. So, they are good, but I’m disappointed in the bounce up to $15 and suspect that it came about when Mom told ‘family acquaintance’ that she was paying $15 to the agency. (that stinks b/c the agency women don’t get the $15 and these new women are certainly not reporting the income).

I don’t think much can be done now. It’s just unfortunate. As it is the funding for paying for these women will be shakey soon as two of the family members contributing are trying to retire (that’s another story).

billie jo
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it is not too late. tell them that the original agreement had been for 10 under the table. if it is 15 youwill be forced to claim it on taxes. before you tell them this let them know how much you like their work and do be diplomatic but under the table seems to be the key here. an agency has to do all the book keeping, taxes, with holdings, ss, screening etc. so ten is more than adequate! be nice but let them know there seems to be some misunderstandiing on your mom's part or whatever. be nice, be smooth and hope for the best. good luck. no private gets 15 in normal priced areas of the country. i am a paid caregiver and know the score.

Tina
Reply with quote  #6 

Thank you all. Billie Jo--great insight ! I was so busy sending it to brother who is now visiting Mom that I forgot to thank you. Mom is alone there and we visit.

Rachel
Reply with quote  #7 

Wow - in my area we paid $15 for agency aides that weren't good (not noly ddidn't do things, but stole small items, and had terrible attitudes), then $22 for ones who had little more to do than sit while Mom slept!  I would consider it lucky to find some who actually worked, for $15!  (BTW, this is a lot more than I ever made working full time clerical!  Maybe I should start "sitting"!)    

Tina
Reply with quote  #8 

Rachel- I considered that very same angle as well: "I would consider it lucky to find some who actually worked, for $15!".  In some way I am using that as a rationalization for the current situation. Mind you the current is much more pleasant than the past three years: a Me-optic individual with a huge ‘entitlement’ issue, spent virtually all her time on the ear cell phone w/ her kids or her ‘hubby’ (Mom never knew if she was talking to her or not), would let Mom get in and out of the shower with little to no assistance, wouldn’t change a bathroom light bulb for over a month, didn’t clean worth a hoot(actually watched my 89 year old Mom try to clean her bathroom floor), argued with my mother(CG was fault obsessed always thinking there was a need to find the person at fault and it was never her- though that never was the issue), and the final straw was asking for pay advances and very close together at that. Mom had essentially become an ATM to her. The agency women were no better: cell phone and attitude (one actually yelled at my mother).  The current women as you say “actually work”. So they are essentially Merry Maids and a CNA wrapped up into one. But, prior to the awful 3 yr. CG that we just let go, we had an absolutely wonderful woman for 10 years and she made, I think $8, so adjusted from 2004 to 2007, $10 wouldn’t seem unusual.  I really don’t know. Mom has gone through so much crap with the 3 year caregiver and the two duds from the agency that it will be hard to address the current pay issue. The real problem is that she wants someone for at least 8 hours (former CG had stretched it to 9 so she could make more money). With her budget, all she can do now is 6. Her biggest issue is loneliness and she sees them as companionship.  She lost 3 hours per day. She needs them to get in and out of the shower, to make her breakfast, lunch and dinner (although she does that Sat and Sun herself), to take her to appts./stores in the car, to do laundry and keep the house clean. With them leaving at 3, dinner becomes problematic as keeping it on the warmer tray for 2+ hours leads to mixed outcomes. Also, she end up eating breakfast later (btw 9 and 9:30 versus 8 and 8:30).  I know there are people who would trade their problems for this one is a minute, so I don’t mean to inflate the overall significance here. However, sometimes when you are in the middle of something you can’t see the forest through the trees. That’s where you guys come in-thanks Rachel and Billie Jo, etc.

Miamian
Reply with quote  #9 
I think you should try to be fair to the Caregiver and pay her a fair rate considering the economy and the fact that you want her to take care of your Mom well and feel that she herself is cared for monetarily. Otherwise, she may feel used and resentful and that will translate into a less caring environment for your mother. Don't be cheap.


shambo
Reply with quote  #10 
I don't think it would hurt to try that "under the table" suggestion from Billie Jo. I wouldn't press the issue too much, though. You wouldn't want to alienate workers who are actually working. I've dealt with agency workers, so getting someone who actually does what they're supposed to do is wonderful.

You could also try for a compromise of sorts. Perhaps they would agree to $12.50 per hour. Or perhaps you could still pay them the $15 and add just a couple of extra hours per week. For example, an extra hour on Mondays & Fridays to prepare for the weekend and then to take care of any needs that arose during the weekend.

'daughter'
Reply with quote  #11 
just so y'all know, Tina's post was from January. I don't know if she is still around anymore!

'daughter'(beth)
TxSongbird
Reply with quote  #12 
When DM was at home in springtime we used one for about a month and they billed us $17.50 per hour.  They were bonded, insured and certified.  DM's long term care benefits would have paid if she had been able to stay in her home long enough for the elimination period to pass.

Donna
latonya
Reply with quote  #13 
can someone please help me? i am a certified medical assistant. im not working due to a car accident a few years ago. a friend asked me to take care of her stepmom in her home for 2 days. the stepmom has cancer in her breasts, sternum, multiple tumors on her brain and shingles. she can get up to use the bathroom/wash herself. i need to make sure that she has her meds and feed her lunch. she cant walk up and down the steps and gets weak all the time. i agreed thinking it was only for 2 days.  i got a call asking if i could continue. i thought that my best friend told her dad a decent amount of money to pay me because i had never done this before.  i have to drive an hour there and sometimes more than an hour home. now she has me doing laundry and sometimes making their dinner. $30/day just doesnt seem like enough to me, but i dont know what is acceptable. 
lizzie42
Reply with quote  #14 

Oh, no way.  No wonder they want you to come back.  I can't think how far out in the boonies you'd have to live to make this fair.  It just isn't.  It's $10 an hour here in Kansas City when you are hired directly.  Agencies still are charging $15.50 or so.  If you are willing to work for $30 a day, please move to KC right away and call me.

MsLucy
Reply with quote  #15 
Hi Latonya,

Here in California the going rate for private hires is $10-12 an hour.  The agencies charge $20-22 an hour.  The employee, of course, doesn't get that much.

Hope this helps...

Lucy

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