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BrokenForever
Reply with quote  #61 
I came to this particular post to mention that I recently did a Google search on acid reducer medication (Proton Pump Inhibitors) and an increase in C Diff bacterial infections which cause serious and sometimes deadly diarrhea. There are apparently new warnings being added to the medications.
If anyone is interested, or have concerns, they may wish to do a search to check it out. I wondered to myself if these acid reducing medications might also be causing the symptoms that many are posting about here, if, in fact their parents are taking acid reducers on an "as needed basis", which might account for the sporadic nature of the problem.  Just a thought.

Observer - Oh, please. Give me a break. I know the reason I haven't been posting here as often as I would like, is a lack of time due to the responsibilities of life, and of caring for two aging parents, without any help, during a hectic holiday season. I know others are also coping as best as they can during this busy time. I do continue to read the posts on this board when I get a chance, but posting is sometimes a luxury that time doesn't permit. I know we are all allowed to post about anything on this board, but I would hate to see such a helpful topic as this one, with so many readers, be filled instead with posts from someone who is pouting over not being invited to a party, or asked to participate on some other board or site.  It is not productive to those coming to look for help. Please post something helpful, or related to the topic, that will help those struggling to find answers to a difficult subject.

BF
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Lynn to Ann
Reply with quote  #62 
After reading this statement from WebMd, I'm not sure that this would be the remedy of choice.  In addition, this would be going from something natural like the Chia seeds and yogurt to a drug again.  I'd rather stay away from the drugs. Also, it sounds like this drug is only for "short-term" use.  If a situation was life-threatening, then maybe it would be worth considering.  Thanks for posting because there are people in that unfortunate position.  From WebMd: 

"Quercetin is 
POSSIBLY SAFE for most people when taken by mouth short-term. Quercetin has been safely used in amounts up to 500 mg twice daily for 12 weeks. It is not known if longer-term use or larger amounts are safe.

Quercetin can cause headache and tingling of the arms and legs. Very high doses might cause kidney damage."
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Ann to Lynn
Reply with quote  #63 
Lynn, My dad is passed now as of a few days so it's a moot point. His doctor was a gerontologist so specialized in elder matters. My brother is an orthopedic surgeon, though out of state.  At any rate, just giving him reg. diahr. meds for the long term wasn't the answer. This was and we trusted that most of the time the doctors do know quite a bit. I'm not saying some natural remedies aren't any good but some of their claims aren't always true or tested. Yes, I know pharmaceutical items  have side effects but if when people used to only have herbal meds they didn't last very long. For my dad , it worked well.
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Equality
Reply with quote  #64 
FYI, quercetin is not a prescription drug, it is a plant based flavanoid.
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Ann to Eq.
Reply with quote  #65 
Well in the senior home for dad, now a moot point, they had a pharmacy deliver it and could only give it to him with Dr's orders , so I assumed it was prescrip. Th e nurses there had the med and I didn't see it, but thanks for the info.
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Equality
Reply with quote  #66 
Flavonoid!

Ann, I wanted to make it clear that it was not a prescription. I suspect nothing can be given to an elder in a care facility without the doctor approving it.

The facility doctor would not allow d-mannose, a sugar that clears a UTI, because he did not know what it was or how it worked, even though I supplied him with medical info on its efficacy. Instead my mother was put on antibiotics that caused lots of issues. I have to give my mother credit, she knew the d-mannose worked without side effects or problems and she made it a point to tell the doctor to start learning about functional medicine, rather than relying on allopathic medicine that relies on patented medications.
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Lynn
Reply with quote  #67 
Well, I am back to report with good news.  My mom is continuing with the chia seeds and soy yogurt every day. The set-back is believed to have been caused by butter. She was maintaining a lactose free diet, except that she had not stopped eating real butter. She stopped eating it a few weeks ago, and the diarrhea has virtually disappeared.  She intends on keeping up with this new diet, including the chia seeds and yogurt every day.  It is totally working for her, and we are very happy to have received the input from this site.  It appears that wheat gluten was not playing a role in this so she is eating wheat products again. We have a doctor's appointment scheduled to see if we could take her off of Lasix, but we're not sure we should do that now. The Lasix helps keep her lungs clear so if the loose stools are under control, then perhaps we should abandon that idea. Thanks again for the input given here on a subject that is probably one of the least popular on the web.   
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Ann from Lynn
Reply with quote  #68 
Ann,

I'm sorry that your father passed during these discussions, especially right before the holiday season. You may not even come back to this site to see this message, but I wanted to express my condolences in the chance you might...even if it's late in coming.

-Lynn
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Joanne
Reply with quote  #69 
Thank you for this great discussion. My Dad is 97 and has suffered with severe constipation for years and years. Three weeks ago he had a bout of diarrhea. This was very unusual. However, it has continued on a weekly basis. I tried to adjust his diet, but I have not seen a benefit. The chia seeds sound like a perfect solution. I know that he will try anything, so I will give them a try.
Thanks again everyone.
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Jan to Joanne
Reply with quote  #70 
Hi Joanne, I would suggest that you just be a little cautious about giving your Dad the chia seeds if he's on warfarin, they seem to have gentle blood thinning properties which is a good thing usually but a bit of a risk for those already on blood thinning medications.   I went through this with my Dad and while I take chia myself all the time now, I don't give it to him.   I do give him a good daily dose of coconut oil though and he has made the adjustment quite well.   I'm no expert on any of this but have followed Equality's posts; she is a mine of good advice and information.  

Good luck to you both.   Jan.
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Laura
Reply with quote  #71 
Great thread.  Thanks to everyone - especially Lynn for the updates after trying various approaches.  My mom just turned 88 and has had problems for years with gas - and I would say the diarrhea/constipation roller coaster has been going on for a few months.  I (her daughter, age 52) was diagnosed with IBS when I was in my early 30s and now realize I am lactose and gluten sensitive/intolerant.  I suspect this runs in the family.  It appears to me that Mom also has IBS and lactose and gluten intolerance.  Over time I have made many changes to deal with my digestive issues and I have shared what I have learned with Mom.  But, she is very stubborn and will not change her diet.  She loves sweet cakes, cookies, muffins and fried food, gravy, etc.  She also loves dairy.  After discussing her diet with her time and again I have given up - she eats what she wants.  But, the  alternating diarrhea and constipation have gotten to her and she is going to the doctor on Monday.  I will see what the doctor says and perhaps at some point suggest the Chia seeds and soy yogurt.  Thanks again for all the posts!
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Sharon
Reply with quote  #72 
To everyone....thank you.  I'm so glad I found this thread!
My 83 yr old mom, who lives with me, has explosive incidents on an infrequest basis. This has been around for at least a year now.  All your posts were so helpful to me. I plan on starting both of us on Quercetin and Chia.  I will also monitor her food intake when the incidents occur.

I was at my wits end and my mom doesn't talk about this to anyone.  She mentally sharp and pretty frisky (like I had to buy the movie Magic Mike for her!).  But this has so depressed her.

God bless you all for this open discussion of a not so pretty subject.
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Lynn
Reply with quote  #73 
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Originally Posted by Lynn
Well, I decided to post an update.  We seem to be at about 75% cured.  My mother is downing about 1 TBSP of the chia seeds first thing with her pill and glass of water.  Later she's having her soy yogurt with a tsp. of chia seeds.  For the most part, she has been eating white bread, the frozen dough that you rise and bake.  There's no wheat gluten added to the dough. Obviously, fresh baked bread is a wonderful alternative. She made it 3 days in a row with no problems.

She's doing her best to stay away from milk products and wheat gluten added products, but it's proving to be somewhat difficult.  Sunday was a big problem, but we ate vegetables with cheese sauce the day before.  I'm sure that the cheese sauce was a mistake. Monday she ate a slice of wheat bread from the senior center, so Tuesday was a slight problem.  The chances that there was no wheat gluten added in the bread are pretty slim I'm sure.  My guess is that if she could actually stay away from those products, the problem would stop. We won't ever know unless she makes it a couple of weeks without any of those types of foods.  As of this writing, she still has not taken any Imodium.  She's very happy with the results from the chia seeds even at 75%.  She can do so much more now and she's not nearly as weak as she was before.  The holidays are coming so it's hard to say what foods she'll be consuming.  She may have to pass on the tortellini with alfredo sauce I'm afraid.  

I'll post more in the new year.  I'm taking the time to post here just in case somebody with the same problem stumbles in here like I did.  The chia seeds have already helped immensely, and I feel it's really important to post this simple remedy.
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Lynn
Reply with quote  #74 
I haven't posted any updates here for a long time, but now I have new nfo.  My mom was still at 75% with the soy yogurt & chia seeds until February 2014.  At the start of February, she began taking Probiotics Advantage (not extra strength) by Dr. David Williams.  She is 100% cured now.  It's been 4 months so I think it's safe to state that.  She even switched to the more economical and tasty Dannon regular yogurt.  She can handle it now.  She is still eating the yogurt with chia seeds, but she can only eat an amount that is equal to 1/2 of a little Yoplait.  That might be one of the reasons she stayed at 75%.  I couldn't get her to eat a whole carton a day. The Probiotics Advantage are pricey, but if you order through their catalog with auto-reorder, it's way cheaper.  My mom said she paid about $49 for two bottles, 90 pills in each.  Finally, after all of these years, we have resolved this terrible problem.  She can go anywhere she wants now at any time.  Thank you God!  (She doesn't stay away from wheat gluten anymore, but she stays away from milk products, except for the yogurt.)  I sure hope this helps someone else out there. 

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Originally Posted by Lynn
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Originally Posted by Lynn
Well, I decided to post an update.  We seem to be at about 75% cured.  My mother is downing about 1 TBSP of the chia seeds first thing with her pill and glass of water.  Later she's having her soy yogurt with a tsp. of chia seeds.  For the most part, she has been eating white bread, the frozen dough that you rise and bake.  There's no wheat gluten added to the dough. Obviously, fresh baked bread is a wonderful alternative. She made it 3 days in a row with no problems.

She's doing her best to stay away from milk products and wheat gluten added products, but it's proving to be somewhat difficult.  Sunday was a big problem, but we ate vegetables with cheese sauce the day before.  I'm sure that the cheese sauce was a mistake. Monday she ate a slice of wheat bread from the senior center, so Tuesday was a slight problem.  The chances that there was no wheat gluten added in the bread are pretty slim I'm sure.  My guess is that if she could actually stay away from those products, the problem would stop. We won't ever know unless she makes it a couple of weeks without any of those types of foods.  As of this writing, she still has not taken any Imodium.  She's very happy with the results from the chia seeds even at 75%.  She can do so much more now and she's not nearly as weak as she was before.  The holidays are coming so it's hard to say what foods she'll be consuming.  She may have to pass on the tortellini with alfredo sauce I'm afraid.  

I'll post more in the new year.  I'm taking the time to post here just in case somebody with the same problem stumbles in here like I did.  The chia seeds have already helped immensely, and I feel it's really important to post this simple remedy.
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Mike Gamble
Reply with quote  #75 
Hi Lynn,

Here's what works for my wife and me:

1. Metamucil stopped my wife's extended diarrhea within 24 hours. And, if I don't skip any days, it also prevents me from having any episodes.

2. I was 100% allergic to ANY milk products for more than 20 years. I also couldn't eat any yogurt, cheese product or supposedly 100% lactose-free milk product. Instead, I drank soy milk and, if I really wanted something like ice cream, I took Lactaid tablets. They contain lactase enzyme that helped me digest milk products with no problems. Later, I found that Walmart sells its own brand of lactase enzyme (Equate). Walmart's brand worked just as well as Lactaid for less than half the cost, that is, about $10 for a box of 60 tablets.
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