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florence
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my mother is on o2 24/7 and she is doing more he may have what they call chf she has other problems to she is blind and has cancer she takes treatment every 21 days for the cancer  but last summer she shelled 5 bushels of peas and 2 bushels of butter beans that i put in the freezer she doe those kind of things by feel she has very limited sight and she has shelled 125lbs of pecans so ask the doctor if it would help him it cant hurt him and Medicare will pay for it  another word of advice is to get copy's of all test done and keep a record of everything done when my mother was in the hospital every time a nurse or doctor came in the room i wrote every thing done and she got great care because they know you are taking notes when we have a Dr. appointment i tape the visit on a tape recorder and then i have a copy of what is said

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Steve
Reply with quote  #32 
Thanks Florence.  I have been in the hospital with my dad and my father in law in the past and have basically been there 24/7.   I believe we have prevented mistakes because of that.
One time when my dad was being mis-diagnosed for a subdural hematoma a student nurse came in to give him is shot because of his diabetes.  I looked at my mom and said "since when does he have diabetes?"   Well, as it turns out, he didn't.  The nurse was looking at a chart for the wrong patient.   I hear where you are coming from.  Thank you for your feedback and your info.
Steve
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Lizzie42
Reply with quote  #33 
Steve, my mom had a sort of "general malaise" and then ended up with pneumonia and a trip to the hospital, where she also got that filthy bacterial infection ... I can't at the moment remember the name but there's been a lot of press about it.  When she came home, she was much worse than when she went in, and has never really recovered, but she hasn't been in the hospital since.  She was intended to stay on the oxygen indefinitely, but when the pneumonia was beaten, she no longer needed it.  Of course, there are all kinds of reasons why your dad isn't getting enough oxygen.  Your doctor will be the best guide.  It's possible your dad will only need it part time, especially those times when he feels weak and "foggy".  Do contact his doctor tomorrow.
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steve
Reply with quote  #34 
Appt. with Doc scheduled for Thursday afternoon.   He wants to check dad's spo2 readings to confirm what I've been telling him.
I'll keep people posted on progress
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Janice
Reply with quote  #35 

Great Steve! Hopefully you will finally get some results.

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Steve
Reply with quote  #36 
OK.  Had the doc appt.  Unfortunately, it was in the afternoon, which is his better time.  The doc confirmed that my little spo2 unit was accurate although his picked up my dad's afib heart rate a bit easier.
Anyway, dad's spo2 reading when down to 89 while dad was standing (and under much duress).  Unfortunately, insurance won't pick up the cost of supplemental o2 unless the reading is 88 or less.  Great!  I asked the doc if he thought o2 would help, or if he has seen it help in cases like my dad's and he said yes!  So, in order to push the case a little more, I have an appointment at the local hospital for a "home oxygen evaluation", early in the morning to see if we can get dad on it, thru insurance.
He is also scheduled to have an echo cardiogram to see if the heart may be more of an issue than the o2 level.
Thanks for everyone's help on this.
steve
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florence
Reply with quote  #37 

the Dr was jerking your chain Medicare will pay for the o2 all he has to do is write a script  all the doctor has to do is write a script for anything you need (potty chair shower chair walkers wheel chair bed )even lift chairs the recliners that help them stand up from a seated position

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Steve
Reply with quote  #38 
Thanks Florence.  I'll be checking in to that.

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Derby dawg
Reply with quote  #39 
86yo MIL is recovering from bronchitis & 6-day hospital stay. They sent her home with oxygen. Urgent care and ER were both concerned when her oxygen was 93! Even with her lungs compromised by serious infection, her levels stayed mostly 86 & up. Can't believe 88 is required for oxygen, and that your PCP won't fudge a little when he knows your meter is giving accurate readings. Hope you are able to get home oxygen and at least see if it helps. Too early to tell hear since MIL is still getting over the nearly sleepless hospital stay while fighting a tough lung infection.

My comment is on the topic of meds and when they're taken - specifically Digoxin - our nurse told us and drugs.com confirms...

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Monitor apical pulse for 1 full min before administering. Withhold dose if pulse rate is less than 60 bpm in adult.


MIL also has irregular heart beat and her pulse runs a little low (maybe due to rx Coreg?), but the Digoxin apparently slows the pulse even more. Need to have a 60+ pulse before administering.

I, too, am not a doctor but I would imagine that a slow pulse pushing oxygen-poor blood could zap an 89yo's energy. Good Luck!

Hope you get some help here. Keep coming back.
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Steve
Reply with quote  #40 
Thanks DD for the info.  i'll definitely be looking into the pulse/digoxin issue.  Home Oxygen Eval in the hospital on Wednesday morning.  I'll keep in touch.
Steve
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BrokenForever
Reply with quote  #41 
Steve, My Dad has had AFib for many years. He is now 87. When he is in Afib he is very tired. He was put on a monitor that he wore while going about everyday activities to check his AFib.  There was a direst cause and effect between when he was in AFib and being tired. He has a pacemaker, and has been taken off Warfarin, because after a couple of falls because of the AFib, the Doctor said it was more of a risk of him bleeding to death from a blood thinner after a fall, than the risk of stroke caused by the AFib. Dad also has Parkinson's which causes him to be tired and nap a lot.
By the way, does your Dad take a statin drug like Zocor or Lippitor?  Be sure he takes CoQ10 supplement. My Dad had a bout of Congestive Heart Failure, and was hospitalized several years ago.  The Heart Specialist pooh poohed my suggestion that Dad needed to take CoQ10, and insisted that he had an incurable condition that would need special diets, daily weight checks, etc. It turned out that my Dad had stopped taking CoQ10 that I had him taking prior to the Congestive Heart Failure, because it was "too expensive". He's taken it since, and it has been 4-1/2 years.  Even without taking statin drugs, you really need to take CoQ10. I do.

A big problem with the elderly, too, is being dehydrated.  They just don't drink enough water. In fact, many of the elderly only drink 3 times a day at mealtime, and the few sips they take to swallow their pills.  Something as simple as that can cause a lot of health issues.
Does your Dad get any exercises? My Dad's Assisted Living has Chair exercises, which helps keep him moving. Dad says he feels better after the exercise.

I hope that something that one of us suggests will help you and your Dad. It's so hard to watch them go through this, and feel so helpless. I have become a one woman research team trying to find out about the health issues Dad has, and new things to try.

BF



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steve
Reply with quote  #42 
Thanks BF.  Lot's of info for me to digest.  I'll look into the CoQ10 and make sure there are no side effects if taken with Digoxin, which he takes for the Afib.
Can I ask why your dad fell?  Was it that he got so weak while in Afib that he couldn't stand up or did he just pass out?  The only other drug my dad takes is the warafin (blood thinner).  I have him on Vitamin D and Vitamin B12 as well.
I've read now from several people that they have someone in Afib and they have a pacemaker.  I was under the impression that pacemakers didn't help with Afib.  Have I missed something?
I know about the dehydration issue and we push water/fluids as much as possible.  Regarding exercise.......we do what we can with him.  His constant complaint is that he has NO energy so for us to push him to walk/climb stairs seems mean, when he says all he wants to do is lay down.  It's a battle as it sounds like you are aware.
Thanks for your input.
STeve

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CarrieC

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Reply with quote  #43 
My dad is the same. Age 89. A few stents in his chest, on Coumadin. Also has a-fib. And his stomach bothers him a lot, but the gastroenterologist doesn't find anything. After breakfast, most mornings he gets so exhausted he can't walk and has to lie down. The doctors can't figure it out. His bp is fine during these episodes, as is his pulse (on a pacemaker) and his pulse Ox reads 96-99%. Is has been going on for several years. He has even had one of these episodes while in the hospital and still no answers.

Have you all found any answers? I wonder if it is dietary linked. He generally has either a high carb/Gagarin breakfast with no protein, like Raisin Bran or oatmeal. Or an egg with toast. I like the protein with that, but still with the grain/carbs.

I also noted in this thread most have been taking some kind of blood thinner. I will have to check to see if this could be a side effect of that. If any of you have found anything that works please let me know. On days when he feels fine he still can play 18 holes of golf with a decent score so he is not a sedentary person

Thanks!
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Mike Gamble

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Reply with quote  #44 
Hi CarrieC,

A few thoughts:

What medications and supplements does he take in addition to Coumadin? Does he take all of his morning medications at the same time (some meds should be taken with meals, others between meals)? Is he taking a medication for his a-fib? Perhaps one or more of his meds or supplements should be changed. Have you taken a complete list of his meds and supplements to his doctor for review?


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