| billie jo |
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Reply with quote | #1 |
warning, contains religious references.
i am curious when we have all faced more than we think we can handle in illness, fear and loss of loved ones, or when you have reached your emotional and physical limitations, have you ever tried to make a deal with God to change things?
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I have not; I'm pretty firmly agnostic, and while I don't profess to know whether there is or isn't a God, if there is I don't believe he pulls the strings and changes events in response to prayers. BUT... I have certainly wished at times that I DID believe, because I know of many people whose faith has carried them through the worst of times, my mother among them. Perhaps the best (and saddest) example is a good friend who almost two years ago was pregnant with twins, and learned that one of them would die shortly after birth. She went month carrying her two babies, always with the certainty that one son would not survive. She got to hold him perhaps a hour after birth before his little life ended. How does one go one after an experience like that? I can not imagine myself, but my friend is a very devout Catholic, and I know her faith played a large role in her moving forward. |
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Yes billie jo I've tried...I've not had much of a religious upbringing and never sure if its right or wrong. But yes I've tried to deal/promise/prey. And probably beg on my grandpas behalf |
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| goodwillgal |
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i do not attempt to barter with God, however, i often give up problems to God.. i just pray on something and then just put it in God's hands. i let go & Let God.
i am very sincere in my belief of the spiritual, however i am NOT a religious person. i follow my own beliefs that i have chosen over the years.
putting things in God's hands lessens burdons
blessings for prayer
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I'd love to learn to let go and let god. Its a work in progress for me. Been trying to make time to go to church. Have a couple in my area I want to explore. Its hard to find the energy and the time. |
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| goodwillgal - a m |
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tis nota difficult task to learn. the clincher is to have absolute faith. when i put things in God's hands, i know the outcome is what is meant to be. i may not at first agree that it is the best outcome, but after a while i can see the good in whatever has happend, and see the wisdom in the outcome. weather it is what i would have chosen or not. in the long run, tis always for the best.
blessings for faith
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| Janice |
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For me, prayers said asking for Gods will to be done are answered, but we have to learn to except his will. That is a huge part of having faith. I have seen so many times where someone asks for something, then thinks He didn't answer only to have their eyes opened later to His way being what they needed. For instance a woman begging the Lord to just make a man love her, come back home and be their husband, and it doesn't happen. They think their world has ended. Later they find themselves meeting and marrying a man who fulfills everything she wanted in that first man and and is happy beyond anything they ever thought possible.. "Unanswered Prayers" are sometimes just not answered the way WE want them to be answered at the time.
Yes Billie Jo, there was a time early on that I would do that. That was before I learned that God doesn't make deals. He just asks for faith and praise, and he does the rest. It's a good feeling to know that.
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| donnaf "A Soldier's Mom" |
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Hello BJ and all, Over the past years I've had alot of heartache in dealing with my DH, MIL, stepfather, birth father and sister. I've learned that bartering with God is a No-Deal. He doesn't barter. However he does give you the strength to accept his answer to your prayers. So I only ask for the strength, wisdom and acceptance to his answers. It's so hard to give it up to God. But that's what I have had to do in the past. Each time was harder than the time before. But once I did accept, I found peace with his answer. As humans with free will, we have a tendency to want to make things better, to correct things that happen, to protect our loved ones. We cannot always do that. The things that happen we have no control of and when we can't FIX IT, we tend to feel out of control. That's when I have to "GIVE IT UP TO GOD". Then to accept his answer whether or not its what we wanted or not is another hurdle to get over. I still pray for certain things, knowing I may or may not get the answer I want, but if it's not the answer I want, I pray for the strength to accept it.
Loving thoughts and prayers
donnaf "A Soldier's Mom"
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| 2nd kathy |
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I have attempted bargaining with God all the while knowing that He would make no deals but provide what I needed. Many time I did not understand the why of something only to have it revealed later when I was ready to hear the truth. Too, I know that many things I will not understand here on this earth but I will understand them the moment I leave it. I find peace in the words of a song "sometimes he calms the storm and other times He calms His child."
As humans we fight so hard for control and feel that we must keep it all together; our families, our lives, our circumstances, our jobs, the personal interactions among our family members. I cannot deny the feeling of relief that washes over me after carrying a burden for so long, feeling its crushing weight until I could practically no longer breathe, then letting it go because I felt I had no other choice only to find peace in releasing the burden. Somehow it all works out anyway. 'Worry is the price paid in advance for something that may never happen' comes to mind here.
I don't believe God causes problems or crisises or terrible events but sometimes He allows them...all in order to change us from the inside out, something we don't see in the midst of it but can often identify in the aftermath.
Finally, though I have never lost faith but have, more than once, had it tested, I remember the words 'If I believe but find it not so, I have lost nothing. But if I do not believe and find it to be so indeed, I have lost everything.'
When my dad passed, several things happened to enrich my faith. First, I understood why I had to struggle (in order to be able to let him go) and this I knew without a doubt within hours and then each and every small sign that he was still with me bolstered my resolve that truly there is more beyond what I can see.
Bargaining? I believe it can be our nature in times of great stress but why hide your feelings? He knows them anyway and loves despite it; the perfect illustration of love without condition.
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| Cathy Howat |
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I don't bargain, so much as say "OK Lady Isis" ( or whoever depending on the problem) it's in your hands. With putting Windows 7 64 bit on the computer I HAVE tended to ear bash Lord Ganesha a bit
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| I can relate |
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I have prayed and asked God to take my mom. yes, I have. That should not be shocking, to anyone who truly believes there is a better place beyond here on earth. She is miserable in life, and just wants to be with dad. That is all she wants.
I have not bartered with Him, but I have pleaded. I pray to His angels as well, such as my Dad and my husband's parents, and my grandparents. I ask them to relieve my mom's misery and take her up there with them. The most I can remember from a bartering standpoint, is with winning the lottery. Please let me win and I will do many good things with the money, I promise! lol. Oddly enough, with more serious life issues and problems, I do not barter, I tend to leave it in His hands. Just the trivial stuff I try to barter with Him. I know the bartering is pointless though. He knows best.
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I can relate, I think I have to retract saying I barter. Maybe a little but more so the asking/begging for his relief. I've called to my dad to come and take him. I've discussed with him that one day he would get to see him. Well more that I would one day and doesn't he think he will too |
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| Judith |
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Reply with quote | #13 |
As it is written, so shall it be.
Is, the words that come to me.
I just try to go with the natural flow of life....
Because, I feel that everybody's lives; happenings, good or bad, are already planned out.
We just have to make the best of what ever comes of it.
The toughest thing for me is... the dealing with siblings who disagree upon the way that the (POA) appointed person in the family has chosen how to deal with things as they arised.... Such as... You should have done, I would have done....
Well, you are not here, you did'nt, because,I did, and i'm still here doing! and you are living your life.
I can truly say that I'm a good enough daughter.
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| Lil |
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Reply with quote | #14 |
I always barter when it comes to a lottery win! I'm gonna do so many wonderful things with the money, and I'm gonna be the most responsible person who ever won! :-) 
But, when it comes to the big stuff like life and death issues, I ask God, I hope for what I want and sometimes I get what I want--and sometimes not.
When praying for healing, and the person dies, I get a bit mad a God...but then something inside told me God was answering me when I hear in my head, "You asked me to heal them. ..."
No bartering on that... it is accepting that I don't know what God has in store, and in Faith, I have to let go and move on.
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